Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are still 100 percent opposed to the Gun Dealer Licensing Act – … And it is sad that it happened to one of the more highly regarded names in the industry, Springfield, which has been around for decades, and also Rock River, which has slowly built up a very good name for itself. They are a cancer meant to divide us for personal gain. Not so much. OUT OF STOCK (1) LWRC SIX8-SPR 6.8 SPC. They aren’t sorry, they did all of this on purpose, they are just sorry they got caught. Pretty sure I’ve seen Springfield ads here, for that matter. It was the most vicious thing in the article, making their hypocrisy with regard to 2A plain as day by pointing out that now they ‘may’ be doing what they said they were this whole time). You welcome them to the front lines of the fight? Totally didn’t.”. For realz! The Larson brothers severed their connection with Eagle Arms in 1997 when that firm moved to Geneseo, Illinois. We can certainly use their help. Sensational BS just to get clicks to drive advertising dollars. Yes, Springfield and Rock River Arms, through their now-former lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturerâs Association, traded their opposition to a Prairie State retailer licensing bill for an exemption to that law. Why did Springfield and Rock River Arms wait until Monday to issue a response? I wouldn’t say that breaking the story that could very well end them as companies is being soft. What a bunch of sheep. Wow…SA is a POS outfit and needs to go away! This is a factory new LAR-15/AR-15 forged 7075 T6 Aluminum stripped lower receiver from Rock River Arms. “You’ve pretended to be a “reporter” but didn’t do the due diligence of one and get other sources for your story.” Also there: IFMA’s paid lobbyist Jay Keller…right up until last Thursday, when Mr. Keller went missing. What’s also interesting, is the SA Facebook page has 3,500 more likes now than when you published this story 5 days ago. Doesn’t make sense. I welcome you to the productive side of society. As a result of Rock River Arms winning the DEA contract, other federal agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Marshals, have also obtained Rock River Arms weapons under piggyback contracts. how many of the people now bitching about RRA & SA don’t do crap for gun rights, other than maybe being an NRA member – if that. This is disgraceful and to read this article and you all going soft on them is disgraceful too. Thanks John! They didn’t know the efforts of their own lobbyists working with politicians on a bill that would directly affect them?  At the same time, Rock River Arms began to build AR-15 style rifles. rock river arms (in stock) 0.0. a4 9mm upper receiver. Those “quick to respond masses” are people without a massive shill or buyer’s remorse complex. Each firearm is built using 4140 Ordnance steel and engineered using the latest CNC machines. How can you welcome springfield and rra after they made a deal and there is more to this deal, that is not mentioned , and if you dig more it will come out, now they are trying to say they didn’t knew nothing, Itâs a proprietary AR receiver system based on the LAR series with integral backup iron sights that rest flush with the flattop rail and a relocated charging handle. Absolutely correct about the names on the Articles of Incorporation. The RUK-15 in 5.56 is gas operated, so Rock River Arms had to design a unique straight gas-tube assembly that didn’t come into contact with the barrel nut. http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/. You do NOT go soft on people who backstab and destroy rights and you definitely do not believe or give credit to their BS they feed to all of us after they already got what they want. Uh. As we’ve seen, Dennis Reese isn’t above bribery. The X-1 has existed in 5.56 NATO for a few years now, but the jump into the .300 BLK chambering figures to be another huge leap forwar… It’s a bit sarcastic, I think. Springfield Armory just sent me an email pleading with gun owners to fight against SB 1657. I don’t always agree with John, but I believe he’s sincere and a tireless defender of our rights. None of these people had any idea what was going on? -that confused reporting concerned a different client which also operated lobbying via a shell firm. Store; Introducing the CSA45; Videos; The CSA45 -- Purpose Designed for the .45ACP. Rock River Arms. At around the same time, they began their own venture, Tolerance Plus (the name was later changed to Rock River Arms), producing custom 1911 pistols. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Bravo.  Between 1981 and 1991 the Larsons worked at Springfield Armory, Inc., where Mark was the head armorer. What the hell are you talking about? , In December 2003, after outperforming 10 other manufacturers in rifle abuse tests, Rock River Arms was awarded a contract with the Drug Enforcement Administration for a minimum of 5,000 LAR-15 rifles to be purchased over five years. We take this situation very seriously and are looking into how this very unfortunate lapse in communication occurred. Come on. Why don’t we just ask Bob Owens? Don’t get me wrong, I applaud Mr. Boch’s work. But for sale? Iraqi Special Forces received and used LAR-15 rifles.. For gun rights forces, once more, it was all hands on deck. So now it will have to be taken up in the court’s and run the gauntlet to the federal. Call me a Fudd (I’m not one as I am against this Illinois law and any gun control legislation, and I love my AR-15s and 30+ round mags – no Fudd has ever claimed that), or say I’m what’s wrong with the gun community, blah blah. The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Actâs official name, by only one vote. Not on this site in general, why are you here on this particular article trying to discredit TTAG’s reporting about these companies and yet don’t appear in the comments sections of other articles? You’re lucky. Are they trying to do the same thing in the firearms industry???? “I’m working on a story about some campaign contributions your lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association, has made to some anti-gun Democrats. That is the act of a man who was _directed_ to let it slide. Flint River Armory, LLC firstname.lastname@example.org. If you cannot make a simple, painless “sacrifice” such as buying from a different maker, then you are part of the problem. But spec is just one element that go into a rifle. You acknowledge all this contact months prior and all this time they did NOTHING. Too little too late in my opinion. He is likely the person who wrote the checks to the F rated politicians. I’m going to go with they knew what was going on AND they are incompetent. “You’re not answering my question, Jay. Negotiating an amendment to the legislation to exempt these companies in exchange for them dropping their opposition to the bill did not happen suddenly and off the cuff! Rock River really excels in this. This whole thing is a big shit sandwich. Even if no one else had done any work to fight the bill – which we know from Mr. Boch isn’t the case – there is no reason for them to have either ignored what their own lobbyist (paid thousands to do the job) was doing or to have avoided Mr. Boch when he sought to determine where they stood on both the bill and on the story about concessions they were offered in exchange for taking “No Position”. Maybe some or all of those reasons, maybe something else. The frog welcomed the scorpian onto his back for a ride across the river after a few words of reassurance as well…. Rock River Arms also produces M1911 pattern pistols in addition to rifles. Because SA/RRA didn’t stop their opposition back then and the bill didn’t pass back then? But Rock River Arms’ response just set a much, much lower bar. Good luck stuffing it back in. Said what you will, but the M1a is the best rifle for California. And if you believe the drivel these liars are feeding you, you deserve the gestapo kicking down your doors!! It doesn’t make any business sense. T-BAG is a bunch of LIARS. I replied to them. It still must pass the House. There are bashers that claim it ain't military spec. http://lobbying-firms.insidegov.com/l/41251/J-Alexander-Hunt-Inc. As far as who’s on the IFMA corporation, when you create a company you have to list officers and have an annual meeting. Many 'spec' builders do not. OUT OF STOCK (0) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. All content is posted anonymously by employees working at Rock River Arms. Notice I said it’s a bill. I seem to recall a screenshot of a recent 990 with those names on it in one of the recent comment sections. Is anybody aware that T-BAG used to be in the car industry and created so much fake news that the car industry bought them out to make them go away? Theyâre spending big bucks to stop SB-1657 â the very same gun control bill that they (and Rock River Arms) enabled by withdrawing their opposition in exchange for a carve-out. Rock River Arms and Springfield Amory were simply focused on their bottom line and not the 2nd Amendment. Senator Don Harmon, being the dedicated anti-gunner he is, introduced a slightly altered version again this year, SB-1657. Get the inside scoop on jobs, salaries, top office locations, and CEO insights. More like knowing when you’ve won and being gracious in victory. Both companies vowed to vigorously fight for gun rights moving forward. I explained how a number of those donations don’t appear to have been properly reported to the Illinois State Board of Elections. I think what John means is that SAI & RRA now have the opportunity to put their money where their mouths are and put their big boy pants on and TRULY help to stop this bill. With all due respect to Mr. Boch, I don’t know how you can run the original viral article exposing the practices of these two companies, and then just as quickly turn around and buy their bullshit when they say “…ummm…uh…we totally didn’t know about that, guys. May 03, 2017 |. If not then Mr. Boch may need to see a doctor. Gualtieri signed off on the purchase in April 2014.  As a result of Rock River Arms winning the DEA contract, other federal agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and United States Marshals, have also obtained Rock River Arms weapons under piggyback contracts. From Springfield Armory, the Larsons went into partnership with Les Baer to form Les Baer Custom and build custom 1911 pistols. Are you serious? For starters, SB-1657 would inflict gun rationing [â¦] As I entered the Rock River Arms booth I half-expected to see new versions of last year’s AR-15s and the crow I ate tasted great. He _had_ to have been directed to take no poisition. They created a monster and let it loose on the people of the state. OUT OF STOCK (4) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. Chuck Larson, president and owner of Rock River Arms, also made a similar statement on May 1 saying the company is 100 percent against the Gun Dealer Licensing Act. Way to capitalize on the community, what a big man! As for Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms: never bought anything from the latter, but I have owned two SA rifles. Fortunately, for the consumer, the suffering will be minimal. First, the initial articles about this incident were published on Friday. There are way too many options out there, so spend your money elsewhere. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Even Dr. Dao settled with UA and the cop didn’t even work for the airline, wake up! There is a lesson to be learned here, and I hope that the people who need to learn it take it to heart. I figured if they learned of my discovery of their lobbying group’s donation history, that might convince them that cutting a deal on SB-1657 was a bad idea. “Whatever has happened up to now, I welcome these two companies to the front lines of the fight for gun rights in Illinois.”. There’s a bit of irony in that. Rock River Arms is owned and operated by brothers Mark and Chuck Larson. The two big powerhouse lobbyists from NRA-ILA burned the candle at both ends. This welcome news came five long days after the world first learned of IFMA’s deal to trade opposition to a gun … Here in AZ, the Arizona Citizens Defense League has only around 2000 members, and yet, AZCDL and its handful of members are responsible for most of the pro-rights laws passed the last few years in AZ. Thank you John. Make a donation to these pro gun groups who are doing the work you say you support to the tune of twice what you paid the lobbiests! The carbine’s long top rail makes it easy to add optics as well, including the Trijicon MRO. My only question at this point is, what other companies have been doing similar things with nobody to draw back the curtain and expose them? Got it too. They did this same kind of crap back in 2000 when they promised Clinton all kinds os BS. It would seem so. He has made phone calls and emails for contact prior to releasing the story. Did you read the article? You must be one of those weirdos that gets off on being punched in the face. DONT pretend for a second they’ve changed their views or are honest about working to defend rights now, they got what they want and now are feeding you all BS to the highest degree and you’re gobbling it up. A guy from the land of Lincoln complaining about carpet baggers? It’s like he doesn’t understand how hard it is to get a right back once it’s been stolen! Founded in 1996. His logic is sound, if you are going to have a round limit more energy per shot is a good thing. Long term friends/allies begging him to call off the dogs? This is softening the blow on them and people who just read public statements and articles like this and on other sponsored gun mag rags will think “oh well it wasnt so bad”. I no longer need any marketing material from your company. It has grown steadily ever since and now employs 85 people. I do own a couple of Springfield products…in fact one is my duty weapon…and I do like the weapons and have had good luck with their customer service, but I’m afraid they have just lost my support. John Boch is a peacemaker and a dealmaker, so the final paragraph is not a shock to me in the least. Go back to their original statements, it was all deny, deflect, make counter accusations. See our full line of Rock River rifles here at Impact Guns! Oh that’s right, THE OWNER OF RRA! I call them T-BAG. In February, I placed calls to Chuck Larson at Rock River and Dennis Reese at Springfield. putting second amendment first and bringing every resource to kill this bill, even lying traitors shamed into fighting)? Not much power there to exploit. Thanks RF! So, as long as the 990 was not too old, I think TTAG, and everyone who wants to, is GTG with telling them to phuck off. I had high hopes for her and Rock River Arms. They got caught. You won’t see my money until I see yours in the hands of the groups doing the work you should have done! Screw them – it is and always was about their pocket books!! I told him about the political donations his lobbying group, IFMA, had made to anti-gun Democratic politicians. Please visit your local dealer. TTAG staff (thankfully) deleted the comment I was replying to. Yesterday, both Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory severed ties with their own private lobbying group, The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). At first, both companies attacked me, The Truth About Guns and Guns Save Life. Both companies knew what was happening. , Rock River LAR-15 rifles were exported to Iraq.  Parting ways with Les Baer in 1993, the Larsons began to build AR-15 type rifles for Eagle Arms in Coal Valley, Illinois. If I ran a company, and my personal lobbyist “went rogue” and dropped a PR grenade like this in my lap, it wouldn’t take me five days to shit-can his ass. The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act’s official name, by only one vote. I call BS!!! Congratulations on kicking that heroin habit and no longer beating your wife. I really hoped she’d do the right thing. Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms Sell Out Illinois FFLs Posted at 10:42 am on May 1, 2017 by David Lombardo The fact is that the lobbying organization was the sole property of SA and RRA. The cause, however, could not be more noble or honorable. John Boch made it pretty clear in the article that he thought things were hinky in January. As an amalgamation of former models and concepts, including the Fred Eichler Series LAR-15, the X-1 brings together the best features from Rock River’s past and yet is a beast of its own kind. Did you just decide to come talk smack about TTAG and randomly pick this topic? http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. Their responses reek of panic and damage control. You just wrote that IFMA was there fighting until nearly the end, when IFMA mysteriously went missing. Use them for the fight now, make them crash and burn when the fight is over. Yours is an example of what is wrong with this country. The work is long, thankless and often frustrating. John, why didn’t you report on this in February when it might have done some good? You won’t hurt my feelings. by rich.tullo on Thu Sep 22, 2016 5:56 pm I would pick them over a Les Baer , I hear the wait at one time was crazy but if they are holding to their word they are nice. I’d say it’s pretty likely that’s what happened with the creation of the IFMA and would be why SA and RRA were clueless – they were just names on incorporation documents and never took an active role. It contained some explicit comments. Can you give me a good reason why this is going on, and/or perhaps a reason why I shouldn’t run this story?”. One way or the other, they fvcked up. Wouldn’t surprise me if such an inaccuracy constitutes fraud or perjury (but I’m not a lawyer, but having signed 990s for years in the past, I am pretty sure there is a perjury clause). That’s when I did more research on the political donation story. If SA and RRA were innocent, they would have spoken openly and truthfully to Boch, instead of avoiding him. Ok cut a deal so as to benefit my business, but in doing so piss off 99.999% of my customers. How is this being gracious in victory? The Illinois Federation for Outdoor Resources stood by our side. One of the most prominent examples of a budget 1911 is the Rock Island Armory (RIA) 1911. I hope they can somehow magically stop this bill (for their sake…I own some SA products I like a lot), but I doubt it and I along with many others will hold them accountable if they don’t. So what do you think? Therefore, a reasonable person might question whether this lobbyist created an empty shell corporation for each customer, and whether TTAGs reporting has been in some error because of a lack of ability or a lack of desire to understand this. He’s forgone more money for the cause than most would believe. So I still have to ask, “Where have you been, Springfield and Rock River?”. Time to walk and stop talking. Re: Rock River Arms guns...how are they? Maybe Mr. Boch is heavily medicated? Springfield, RRA, put your money where your mouth is! Which still leaves SA and RR incompetent, or complicit. Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms Sell Out Illinois FFLs Posted at 10:42 am on May 1, 2017 by David Lombardo I just scratched the XD from my list of contenders for my next purchase. The Jay Keller is a RRA and SA employee, “…we didn’t know.” is irresponsible. Theirs are made of military spec steel this and that. Stag Arms 15 Super Varminter 6.8 SPC. The lobbyist would have gone for or against on his own – not “No position”. Please have your dealer E-mail or fax a copy of their license, including your name and order number, … SA imports their firearms. Cui bono: SA and RRA backed off in exchange for favorable considerations, plain and simple. No remorse there. I am wondering if Mr. Keller embezzled the lobbying money … or if he worked a deal with politicians to pocket the money without the knowledge/blessing of SA or RRA. Instead of being self-righteous here, and patting yourself on the back, thank those they REALLY wanted an XD or M1A but will now forego them to make a statement. How many of the “activists” who now won’t buy that new SA gun can’t even be bothered to follow a link and send the pre-prepared letters for their own state – much less join? Who see the easy to follow facts and don’t blindly accept the corporate BS statements these rats pushed out after they got their exemption and AFTER they got found out. -earlier reporting by TTAG confused actions on behalf of one client with another Would they now be reduced to emails as the support mechanism? And the tens of thousands in contributions to anti-gun legislators. Normally a good idea. In the end, everyone worked together and we got the job done. The logic is fine, except for the fact that you can shoot .308 and .458 socom and .338 Federal and tons of other large calibers out of tons of other semi-auto guns. Leave a penny, take a nickel huh bud? I told him to compare and contrast the IFMA Form 990s with the ISBE website, just as I’d done. Glad to have you the team, gentlemen. Sorry folks, but “activism” like not buying a RRA product is just keyboard commando posing horsecrap. Kudos to them. When they finally got around to it, I’ve been wondering if they were truly misinformed or even uninformed… Or if they were backpedaling as a damage control or CYA procedure. Primedia or whatever its fucking Crony Capitalist Corporate Amerika http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. And that’s being way more generous than what most people would like to see happen. You have to wonder if Owens is really so willfully blind as to swallow the SA/RR story hook, line and sinker, or if there’s another reason for his dogged defense of these companies that he’d rather his readers not know. Tens of thousands of dollars. Both companies claim they first learned of the political deals as a result of our reporting. I believe in our 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms. Illinois doesn’t need socialists like these guys. The guy didn’t just suddenly decide the day of the vote to change the IFMA’s stance without approval by the owners (Reese, Larson). Then boycott them and destroy them after they’ve spent money making it easier to take them down. Redefining the Pistol Caliber Carbine Contact. Looking up J Alexander Hunt, their only client is Chicagoland Speedway. Springfield Armory has jumped into the gun rights fight in Illinois. As a result, the amended bill cleared committee and went to the Senate floor. (As above, from the 2013 IFMA IRS Form 990.). Companies don’t pay big buck lobbyists to work on their behalf and not know what’s going on. Carpetbaggers representing Everytown, Moms Demand, Gabby Giffords’ ARS and the Brady Campaign, to name a few, found their way to our fine state. They didn’t know anything about a bill that would directly affect them? Mark Larson, along with his brother Chuck, founded Rock River Arms in 1996 when they began producing high quality 1911-style pistols and AR-15 style rifles. Springfield Armory is dead to me. Intro to the AR-15 Rifle at Rock River Arms Headquarters in Colona, Illinois. If they consciously cut deals that strip away consumers/dealers rights then they are lower than low. Those never change, even when the people die. That story was written for a reason. That’s when his witness slip showed up under “No Position,” meaning IFMA officially took no stance as to SB-1657’s passage. Thousands. Keep up the good work Mr Farago and Mr Boch. Screw SA, Screw RRA, and screw people that think second chances should be given to people that sell fundamental rights down the river. That last paragraph goes right past slow learner to advanced window licking 101 with ease. 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